Learn how to make friends with money, charge with confidence, sell without feeling sick & create abundant wealth - easily, effortlessly and without compromise!
"I was always stressed, feeling pressured and worrying about money. Now I'm in control of my money and I'm taking a profit each quarter just for me - not for the bills or anything else!"
Hey, I’m SO glad you’re here!
Because I know, if you’re anything like I used to be, that you NEED this course right now.
Your relationship with money is… well… let’s just say, not as abundant and fulfilling as you might like.
I mean, you WANT more money. There’s no problem with that side of the story! You can easily think exactly what you’d do with a gazillion dollars.
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Camper van… check!
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Buy your family that trip of a lifetime… check!
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Pay off your mum’s mortgage… check!
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Buy your dream home… check!
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Donate a sh*t ton to charity… check!
Buuuuuut… the one slight problem seems to be that the money ain’t coming in.
In fact, it’s flowing OUT faster than you can say ‘I want to win the lottery’. And nothing seems to be changing that.
Damn it.
You’ve heard of money mindset work.
Maybe you’ve even done plenty of journaling and clearing around your 'money blocks'.
You don’t FEEL like there’s anything else you can do to make more money
materialise in your world - you’re trying your hardest!
But something just isn’t clicking because:
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There still barely seems to be enough left at the end of the month
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You’re sick of staring at the wrong kind of zeros in your bank account and wondering when all that vision boarding is going to pay off.
You WANT to be the kind of woman who effortlessly generates income while she sleeps and thinks nothing of dropping another few grand on her next coach (or the trip of a lifetime!).
But deep down, money feels a bit icky, scary and intimidating.
It gives you guilt trips - so that you find it impossible to ask your clients for money (even the payments you’re owed!).
You hate discussing money at home.
You kind of feel obliged to spend to prove you’re a nice person - a serious business person - or just 'good enough'.
But the thought of raising your prices or investing big bucks makes you feel slightly sick.
Maybe sales calls give you sleepless nights and sweaty palms.
And you feel a little resentful of ALL the effort you’re putting in to your business to earn what feels like peanuts -
you WANT the money to start flowing your way… you really do!
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"My work/life balance was ironically skewed towards a failing business, with all my energy going into the wrong things.
I've now stopped focusing on 'making money' - this has helped me bring MORE money in! I've increased my weekly time available and I've dropped all unessential expenses"
- Kaye P
So why isn't the money flowing -
despite all those affirmations?
Because your relationship with money is SO much more complex than just shifting a few blocks, showing up in service and asking to receive.
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It's about your relationship with yourSELF.
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It's based upon a lifetime of being made to feel you shouldn't understand money, wouldn't be able to cope with wealth and don't have the necessary financial know-how to make money work for you.
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It's based on the years of oppression and struggle you've witnessed and come to expect as a woman.
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It's intricately woven with the need to be 'nice', give without expectation and put yourself last in everything you do.
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And it's fuelled by the fires of stress, anxiety - and more expectation on your shoulders than ever before.
The opportunities to create incredible abundance are greater than ever! But so are the pressures.
Let’s be honest… money talk either sends you to sleep or feels so intimidating you find an excuse to change the topic.
And you'd happily let others in your life deal with the complicated & scary financial stuff - maybe your tax return sends you into a tailspin every year.
Need I go on?
I know this because it’s exactly how I used to feel - even after I'd taken a 6 figure business and doubled its turnover and profits within months!
And I DO now have the campervan, the dream home, multiple investments and passive income streams that make me money while I sleep.
But a few years back I was completely powerless around money.
It felt scary. It felt utterly intimidating - like something I wasn’t equipped for and had no hope of ever understanding.
And it nearly broke me, my family and my future.
There was even a time I convinced myself I didn’t need money to be happy - because it felt so much easier than dealing with the alternative.
Have you ever told yourself that one?
But I knew I wanted freedom.
I knew I wanted to travel.
I knew I wanted a nice house. And that campervan.
I knew I didn’t want my kids to miss out and be told ‘No’ when the school skiing trip came up.
I knew I wanted to LIVE my life, enjoy it and indulge my passions, rather than being shackled to a desk 9-5, 5/7! I knew I wanted my husband to have that freedom too.
But even knowing all this - and knowing that money was the answer - I allowed my fear and low self-esteem to take over and handed over the responsibility for my finances… to someone who ultimately cost me my business and £18,000 worth of personal debt.
THAT was the straw that finally broke the camel’s back - and made me wake up to the fact I needed to take responsibility for my financial future.
THAT was what finally made me determined to STOP being afraid.
And I’d rather you got there a lot sooner and less painfully!
Because it’s not money we need to fear - it’s not money that causes problems. In fact it’s being disempowered around money and treating it the wrong way that causes 99.9% of our first world financial problems!
So I decided then and there to face money head on, put on my big girl pants and figure this finance thing out.
I decided to educate myself, get to grips with understanding how to build wealth - and blast my demons around earning, spending, investing and guilt.
I decided to make money my friend and ally so I could do so much more good in the world, stop looking adoringly at a financially free future and go out there and CREATE it.
And now I’m making it my mission to empower YOU to embrace money and understand YOUR worth too - so you can avoid the pitfalls and achieve financial bliss and harmony. I want to help you earn it, own it - and go out there and do wonderful, wonderful things to make the world more amazing for you and everyone who matters!
"Thank you! Investing in you is one of the best things I've done for myself and my business".
- Leah C
" I am calmer and so much more focused on what I want and what I can offer. I'm looking forward to earning more money working with people I like!".
- Tracy J
" I feel much more confident about what I charge for my work, and I have increased my prices a little.
It hit me that I COULD change my business and do the thing I really enjoy more!"
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You have the passion and drive of all those high profile, wealthy women you admire - but you wonder how it comes so effortlessly to some and not to you!
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You've had enough of sleepless nights, juggling a million and one things, working TOO many hours, reading endless books on business and mindset... and still not seeing the rewards and lifestyle you hoped for.
It's like everyone else has some sort of secret they're not letting you in on that makes
business easy for them - while for some reason you're constantly struggling uphill.
I absolutely get it.
My first business nearly broke me.
It was doing well enough - turning over multi 6 figures every year - but I was seeing very little
of that despite putting in ALL the hours and all the effort.
I was a chronic people-pleaser and struggled with crippling self-consciousness and social anxiety -
so I couldn't say no, couldn't advocate for what I really wanted and needed others to do -
and couldn't stand up for myself when it came to dealing with finances,
spending or getting paid what I was worth.
I was terrified of selling, terrified of having all my clients & staff desert me - and although I knew what I needed to do to market my business better, I avoided it like the plague!
I was super-stressed, overwhelmed - and really grew to resent my business. I was DESPERATE to make it a success, but I felt so trapped by it and so unsure how to do that
- I couldn't ask for help.
I would say I was 'fine', but I had mini-meltdowns in the bathroom and panic attacks between clients.
I flirted with burnout for a long time.
I couldn't imagine ever being able to cut down my hours or back off from the business enough to start a family.
I thought nothing and no-one could help me - this was just how it had to be.
I felt so alone.
I just didn't realise...
that I HAD all the answers, all along.
The problems I was experiencing were ENTIRELY down to my lack of confidence.
Then one day - everything changed.
I discovered how to master my subconscious mind and overcome anxiety.
And it changed my life
(I'll tell you the story some time!).
How?
By making my anxiety just melt away.
By building my confidence, bit by bit, so gently that I surprised myself with the things I was suddenly able to do!
And by reprogramming all those doubts, fears and insecurities that had kept me stuck,
scared and overwhelmed for so long.
So that I could make the decisions that would change my life and my business completely.
So that I KNEW my value and could finally ask for it.
So that I could show up, fearlessly, as myself for the first time ever - look people in the eye and calmly ask for what I wanted.
So that I was no longer afraid, alone and a prisoner in my own mind.
So that I didn't need anything else to validate me before I took action.
Helping others transform their confidence,
build the future of their dreams and live their lives to the full
has been my absolute passion ever since.
My life is now full of fun, ease and abundance.
I do what I love, with the people I love. I wake up every day excited about my business, my clients and the future I'm building.
I have bags of enthusiasm, ideas, energy and time to enjoy doing the things that light me up.
And I want that for you too!
I want you to wake up EVERY day trusting yourself, knowing you can advocate for
yourself and LOVING every minute of your precious, precious life.
I want you to go out there and smash the world of business, fearlessly and joyfully!
And I want you to earn more money, have more time and enjoy the freedom you deserve -
without it ever causing you a sleepless night or a stressful conversation again.
One week in and already worth every penny! A brilliant way to work with a fabulous person, sort out your inner voice and make it work FOR you"
- Anna
How I'll help you!
The Limitless Life Lab is a high-touch exclusive 1:1 mentoring & transformational experience,
based on my unique signature method, the Conscious Wealth Creation Formula.
It's designed to help you access your highest level insight and build bulletproof focus,
confidence and motivation using sound neuroscience, psychology and the power of
conscious creation - so you can show up consistently as your most empowered
CEO self and make this your most successful and rewarding year ever.
Here's What We'll Do
Create an in-depth vision for your business and your personal future that completely aligns with you and your values, and set clear, heart-led goals and aspirations - so you can start taking effective, aligned action immediately.
Build & lock in balance between your business and personal life, so you are always recharged and ready to give your business your all - AND to ensure you get to actually enjoy the journey and your loved ones, too!
Set you up for minimum stress, maximum energy permanently - so you are always operating with maximum ‘you’ and minimum ‘imposter’ - free to enjoy your higher knowledge and insight rather than getting caught up in worry and distracted by things that don’t serve you.
Maximise your confidence so you feel ready to tackle any challenges that come your way - and so that you feel inspired to regularly step outside of your comfort zone and push your boundaries further than you ever dreamed possible - with absolute ease!
Make sure your money mindset and empowerment is second-to-none, so you can be sure you’ll make financial decisions which completely support your future wealth.
Create clear boundaries around other people and situations and give you the tools to assert them with calm, easy confidence to always ensure the best outcome for all.
Fill you with the confidence to take aligned high-income actions such as raising your prices, selling with ease and integrity, spending and investing your money wisely.
Build a support network of bespoke success hacks for you - to ensure you are reinforcing everything you want to achieve through your environment and the language you use with yourself and others, rather than subconsciously sabotaging yourself.
Build healthy habits and thought processes which allow you to become the empowered, passionate woman you have always wanted to be, free from negative self-talk and limiting beliefs and behaviours.
Make procrastination and analysis paralysis history so you can become decisive, effective and take huge leaps forward, rather than sitting on things for months.
Hold you accountable, keep you motivated and make sure you’re taking laser-focused action in your business so you make progress as quickly as possible.
"Whilst working with Abi I had my highest income month to date
and completely turned my business around to fit around mine and my family's needs,
working less hours with only dream clients".
- Siobhan
The Limitless Life Lab is my unique blend of 1:1 hypnotherapy,
deep-dive mindset work and business mentoring -
crafted to help you create your ultimate breakthroughs in business, wealth & bliss.
It's the culmination of 14 years' experience owning and growing businesses -overcoming deep personal struggles with money, confidence & self-worth along the way...
...combined with 6 years' experience in clinical hypnotherapy & psychotherapy, helping other ambitious women overcome anxiety, imposter syndrome and limiting beliefs to live THEIR best lives.
It brings me so much joy to help other women realise they DON'T have to struggle any more and they CAN wake up each day and look forward to a life and business they absolutely love.
I can't wait to share it with you!
Here's What You'll Get
We'll spend an intensive 8 weeks working 1:1 weekly via Zoom, building all the tools you need to immediately uplevel your mindset, thoughts, feelings & beliefs.
It starts with a half day session to Ignite Your Vision (all other sessions 60 mins).
We create your personal vision for the future in detail.
We then break down step by step the exact actions you need to take to start
working towards your desired future, and the micro-actions
you can take now that will start the ball rolling.
We’ll end the session with a powerful reframing visualisation which I’ll record for you
to keep and use regularly to reaffirm your vision.
Next it's brain, balance & resilience building.
We explore how you can optimise your brain chemistry through
powerful practices such as gratitude and visualisation - and together create a
tailored plan for regular reinforcement that fits in perfectly with your personal
and professional life.
Override your Imposter
We'll dive deep into what's REALLY going on to fuel those feelings of inadequacy
and the need to please, explore your personal barriers to visibility and empowerment and
help you rewrite the narrative to fully support and enable yourself.
Building boundaries & reinforcing positive, supportive beliefs
We look at whether your current boundaries and beliefs are supporting
or compromising your potential to achieve excellence and help you
reframe any situations that are currently sabotaging your potential -
so you can handle them with ease.
We also explore how your environment and self-talk are negatively impacting everything
you’re trying to achieve, so you can make changes that support your journey.
Money beliefs, self-worth & wealth wisdom
We uncover your existing money beliefs and carefully craft a set of helpful new beliefs
that will lead to an easier flow of money, a greater sense of self-belief and confidence in taking aligned actions that will support your journey and unlock your true earning potential.
Habits & structure
We’ll look at your existing routine, things you like and dislike about your habits
and behaviours and work through how you can shift your behaviour on a subconscious level, to step into the empowered woman you truly want to be -
who’s completely in control of her body,
her life and her relationships.
Motivation, focus & fire!
Nothing is more important to achieving your goals than being able to stay on track,
stay focused and motivated - even when life has other plans! We’ll build a toolkit to help you
keep your mindset optimised for success, whatever happens.
You’ll emerge focused, confident and empowered to show up consistently
as your highest self - personally and professionally.
And you'll finally feel the confidence & have the self-belief to go out there and
achieve everything you’ve been waiting for!
Bespoke personalised audio to reprogram your MONEY & SELF-WORTH stories effortlessly while you sleep!
Sleep better and wake up feeling relaxed, calm and in control.
Access to me between sessions
For S.O.S. - or troubleshooting your life & biz! Messenger, email or Zoom.
Free lifetime membership of my exclusive networking & peer support VIP community
For ladies who are launching & living their limitless dreams.
Even within 30 minutes, Abi helped me to reframe the main the blocker holding me back and our conversation spurred me on to get my ass in gear and take action on something that I'd been procrastinating on.
I came away feeling energised and positive about taking my next step forward in my business"
- Tamsin
Is this for you?
It's a big YES if:
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You're serious about creating limitless wealth and abundance in your life & business
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You've done all the things, learned plenty of strategy, probably have an inbox full of incomplete courses and you've realised it's working on yourself that's going to make the difference.
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You're a bit sick of those platitudes and positivity quotes you see everywhere (don't worry, none of that here!).
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No matter how much you work on your mindset, you still seem to come up against invisible barriers around charging more, selling or generating income easily - such as imposter syndrome, perfectionism, procrastination and self-doubt.
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You have a to do list as long as your arm but it's hard getting up the motivation to make a dent in it.
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Likewise it can be a real struggle to keep 'showing up' consistently.
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You find yourself comparing your success to others' and wondering what their secret is!
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Maybe you're outwardly successful and confident in your business but you still frequently doubt yourself and feel like you could do SO much more.
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You're ready to embrace your most confident self, skyrocket your earning potential and create a life that brings you freedom and joy!
But NOT if:
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You're not ready to invest in working 1:1 with someone (we're talking £3k+ here though payment plans are available).
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You aren't REALLY in love with what you do or just want to build wealth without being a nice human being
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You don't know how to market your business - this is for more established entrepreneurs who have spent significant time (and probably money) learning the ropes but realise they're getting in their own way.
So, still on board?
Fancy a chat?
My commitment to you
This programme is only for women who are READY to make significant changes in their self-worth and net worth.
I've invested hundreds of HOURS in professional training and thousands of pounds in personal & business development to enable me to create this life-changing, transformational experience - and help you get the results you want!
And I absolutely believe you will - as long as you:
* Show up
* Do the work
* Engage with willing, enthusiasm and commitment
That might mean making time specifically to focus on the challenges & tasks I set you.
It might mean being open and honest in communicating anything that's troubling you.
It will NEVER mean doing anything that makes you feel uncomfortable, that doesn't entirely align with who you are and what you stand for or that isn't what you signed up for.
Hypnotherapy is an entirely safe, permissive form of therapy - permissive meaning it can only ever help you change in ways you want to change.
You set the boundaries for your transformation.
You get to decide how high you want to fly.
You put the work in where I ask you to.
And I'll do the rest.
"I've made more progress in my business with you in 30 minutes than
I have by myself in the last 2 and a half years!"
Why work with me?
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I don't make you do any awkward, uncomfortable sh*t. No digging into past traumas or events that you find upsetting or anxiety-inducing - we simply don't need to. We'll just rewrite your future rather than getting lost in the past.
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I won't make you 'feel the fear and do it anyway'. There is NO NEED to feel fear to make progress - instead, we'll gently expand your comfort zone in a way that feels easy and barely even noticeable.
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You'll notice your new-found confidence & certainty spilling out into all sorts of areas of life! Previous clients have stopped feeling anxious driving, have been able to leave the house for the first time in months, have started making healthier choices without even thinking about it, have found their relationships have got SO much easier - and have suddenly found ideas and inspiration just spilling out of them!
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I won't have you doing endless hours of journaling (no need!), tapping or chanting. Nothing against those techniques - you'll just find you don't need them!
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I won't quote clichés at you, like "Done is better than perfect" or "Fake it 'til you make it". Instead we'll just get you taking the action you want without even trying!
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I won't tell you what to do in your business, but I will give you my expertise and guidance to help you identify YOUR soul-aligned path. Why? Because we never take effective action when we're subconsciously resisting - it's got to come from YOU!
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I've run a multi 6-figure business and I can tell you, I've seen almost everything!
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I'm a wonderful listening ear, a judgment-free zone and I believe in doing everything with integrity, honesty and great communication.
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I'm a passionate, slightly obsessive neurodivergent brain & business nerd and I can tell you pretty much everything there is to know about your mind and how to make it work for you. In fact I literally am writing the book...
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I am all about equality, diversity, respect and understanding.
So here's the money bit
(btw... do you always hate those conversations?
Working together will make that super-easy for you too).
8 weeks of intensive 1:1 sessions including
Initial half-day Ignite Your Vision call
Access to me for S.O.S. and troubleshooting throughout
Custom-recorded audio to help you reprogramme your limiting beliefs
and de-stress you while you sleep (you'll sleep a lot better, too!)
Lifetime membership of my exclusive VIP community
Just £3797(for clients paying in full)
The bundle above is worth over £12,000
(and that's before we even factor in what your mindset
is costing you every month in terms of lost business, time & opportunities...)
To sign up all you need to do is hit the big button below
and complete the application.
We'll arrange a quick call or email exchange just to make sure we're both completely on board, I'll answer any questions you have -
then we'll book you in and get going!
FAQs & Mindset Myths!
What's involved in this hypnosis malarkey, then?
Total mind control. You will be in my power and I will have you barking like a chicken. Joke!
All hypnosis involves is an altered state of awareness - i.e. being very, very relaxed (does that sound like a bad thing to you?). No swinging pocket watches, no staring deep into my eyes... I use my voice to gently and progressively relax you - as much as you want to allow yourself to relax. Some clients love to conk out and go to sleep, some love to remain completely aware.
You are ALWAYS in control.
So how does it work?
When you're in a deeply relaxed 'trance' state you're way more receptive to making any changes you want to make.
Hypnosis bypasses the filter that usually stops us from accepting helpful suggestions - and allows the subconscious brain to start to help us to reach our goals constructively, rather than getting in the way (as it usually does!).
When we're very deeply relaxed we're much more creative, we have way better perspective and we can come up with solutions we would never normally find.
Sounds great, but I've heard it doesn't work for everyone?
I love that you've done some homework! It's true that direct suggestion doesn't work for everyone (like stage hypnosis) - only for about 12% of people. If I were to say to you "You'll wake up every morning and go for a 5 mile run" when you'd never run a step in your life, your subconscious brain would probably mark that one up as ridiculous as say "Ha, NO!". So it wouldn't work.
However the way I work is all about getting your subconscious on board first - through careful questioning and coaching - and then making suggestions which allow your brain to come up with the right solutions for you. For example, you might realise in our session that you want to download a 'Couch to 5k' app and then the hypnosis part would help your brain embed that as a flippin' good plan.
The next day you might find yourself suddenly scrolling through the app store... or even taking OTHER aligned actions that would work towards your goal, like walking instead of driving somewhere. It's subtle, easy, effective - and totally in harmony with you and your pace.
I've worked with dozens of clients my 'success' rate for positive change is 100%.
Is it safe?
Completely. As long as you make sure you're in a safe environment, there's nothing that could happen to harm you. You're completely in control of any changes you make - I just facilitate them. And you could wake up or stop the session any time (but you won't want to!).
I'm a qualified & registered hypnotherapist, HPD, DSFH.
What will a typical session involve?
Sessions will vary depending on your exact needs (that's the beauty of a bespoke 1:1 programme!) - but here are some of thing things you can expect.
There will be lots of exploration of the situations & challenges you find yourself up against. We'll work together to get clear on the mindset & strategic elements that are holding you back the most right now - and I'll help you to think differently about them, offer insights and help you come up with solutions.
We will also work together to reframe your current limiting beliefs and create brand new beliefs that really align and truly serve you on the deepest level.
We won't dig into traumas or make you discuss anything uncomfortable. There's literally NO need to do that to create positive change.
Together we'll get the lightbulbs popping in your mind, build confidence and clear steps forward - and where it's appropriate, use hypnosis to strengthen & build on everything we've discovered.
Sessions will feel expansive, positive - and you'll leave smiling and satisfied!
Is there work to do outside of sessions?
Yes. To help you get the most out of this life-changing experience, you'll be given specific journaling tasks to complete. We'll make sure you have plenty of time to complete them between sessions, even if that means spreading the programme out for you a little.
They're hugely important to helping you explore and develop your mindset - and my clients LOVE completing them because it's fascinating to learn about yourself!
You'll also have tailored hypnosis audios to use daily (usually at bedtime) to facilitate your transformation.
How is this different from other mindset coaching I may have had?
The world of entrepreneurship is littered with people who declare themselves 'mindset experts' and coaches who talk about mindset all the time.
Some are very well qualified and trained to do so - others less so!
Typically, coaches will work on shifting your perspective and reframing your beliefs around certain situations (like how you feel about receiving money in exchange for your services, for example). It works really well a lot of the time and it's part of the work we'll do, too.
However what we will ALSO do is tackle the issues you aren't so aware of and the deep-rooted subconscious 'rules', patterns and blocks that hold you back without you even realising. So - going back to our money example - you might struggle to receive money not because you believe it's bad or evil - but because deep down there are big self-worth and self-esteem issues at play.
The wonderful thing is, that by using hypnosis we can reduce anxiety and build confidence in all areas of life simultaneously - so we won't need to dig into why you have low self-worth. We'll just build it up by rewriting your subconscious 'programming' - and suddenly you'll just find your confidence has skyrocketed and wonder where it came from!
So - I won't need to keep working on my mindset afterwards?
You won't need to - not in the sense of 'work' anyway. So you won't have to do endless hours of soul-searching, journaling, confidence building exercises, money mindset courses... and you won't need to use techniques like EFT tapping to manage how you feel about yourself or different situations.
Of course you can if you want to - but it won't be necessary. Our work together will leave you with such a deep understanding and mastery of your mind that you'll have a much greater awareness of how to make shifts 'on the go' when they're needed (and you'll keep noticing shifts, realisations and up-leveling thanks to the changes we've made - long after these 8 weeks are over!).
Just think about all that spare time and energy you'll have to work on your wonderful business or just enjoy life as a result!
Sounds amazing. Can I pay in instalments?
Yes I'm open to that - you can get started with just £1,500 deposit. Let's discuss a plan to make it work for you on our call!
I absolutely cannot wait to speak with you -
I just know this is going to change your life and business and bring you SO much more wealth in every way!
I work with a maximum of five 1:1 clients at any one time so if this has your name on it, make sure you apply now and get on the list!
Abi x
"I'm taking action in my business that I've been putting off for years. I'm making decisive changes. I'm excited about my business again because I'm not bogged down anymore and have clear plans to grow to the next level - and I'm bringing in more leads than ever before!
I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Abi to anyone needing a complete mindset overhaul - it's the best money I've ever spent"
- C.B.
Abi Rogers is a mindset coach (though she prefers Jedi), hypnotherapist and business coach who helps fiercely ambitious entrepreneurs & business owners go from stressed, anxious and underpaid to owning their worth, building their wealth and embracing life to the full!
A former multi 6 figure business owner with 15 years’ business experience, Abi embraced her own pure passion in 2017 - helping others create more success, less stress and a joyful life on their terms through the wonders of subconscious mind mastery.
She is the founder & presenter of the much-loved ‘Unblock Your Business’ podcast, author (book coming 2022!), works with clients internationally and has regularly featured as a guest expert for The 6 Figure Bookkeeper.
Abi lives in beautiful Bristol, UK with her husband and 2 gorgeous little nonsense-boxes. She loves to climb, eat, escape to the mountains or coast with her beloved camera and sings everything from Old Macdonald to opera.